Comments by psrb125712
Hi, Codenote - I'll add to the comment from Helder on January 01 2021.
I also love it, and how easy it is to load and create scale files. This is really a valuable tool.
I (finally) got access to the Abelton Live 11 Beta and am working with the MPE support in it and a beta of an app for MPE support from a QuNeo controller. I'm using the Live 11.0b.30 release candidate build I loaded Waveform sound Organ Plus, which responds nicely to the 4 dimensions of MPE input on all of the 4 MPE columns in the Waveform device (i.e Velocity, Note PB, Slide, Pressure). The visual "meters" at the top of each column show which column is receiving data. I've confirmed that the set-up for the Multitone MPE devices correctly matches the PB range in both Waveform and in the QuNeo MPE app.
I'm seeing issues in most of theMicrotone MPE devices, and it's not just the note pitch bend data (Note PB) that is being filtered out.
Based on the Waveform device, I understand there are 4 MPE data dimensions: (initial) note Velocity, Note PB (pitch bend per note, aka the X-axis on the MPE contoller), Slide (ie CC I 74 or the Y-axis on the contoller) and Pressure (i.e. after touch) - in the Waveform MPE tab the meters on the 4 columns show when each kine of MPE data is reaching the device to manipulate the sound.
1) With the Microtone MPE device disabled, I can see all the "meters" on all 4 columns respond to input from my QuNew and QuNeo MPE app as a control surface in MPE mode, and hear the changes expected for all 4 MPE dimensions.
2) With almost of the Microtone MPE devices, some or all of the columns do not respond... it's not just Note PB but the others which are not consistently passed through and really need to be.
Randomly, one or two notes will respond, but it is not consistent and usually the exception to the rule.
Here's what I'm seeing:
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These work - all 4 columns show activity and the sound is manipulated as expected for all 4 MPE dimensions:
- Just12 works nicely, just with the note bases detuned (or I should say, tuned properly to Just tuning :-).
- NTet
- NTet12
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These have issues with 1 or more of the MPE dimensions:
- Cent12 - Velocity responds, sometimes Pressure (not consistently). I only get occasional, random responses from Note PB and Slider changes when pressing and holding multiple notes and wiggling some of them around (but for the most part, there's no activity for Note PB or Slider meters on single notes)
- Detune 12 - Velocity and Pressure work I can't get any Note PB or Slider responses
- Detune 128 - I see the device responding (the blue highlight indicating the note / octave I'm pressing on the controller) but I'm am not getting any sound. I've tried with default 0 values and other values on the grid
- SCL Loader - similar to Cent12. Velocity responds, sometimes Pressure (not consistently). I only get occasional, random responses from Note PB and Slider changes when pressing and holding multiple notes and wiggling some of them around (but for the most part, there's no activity for Note PB or Slider meters on single notes)
There's still good value in the Microtone MPE devices, but if you are able to fix these issues this will be a truly outstanding toolkit!
Thanks, Chris
I also love it, and how easy it is to load and create scale files. This is really a valuable tool.
I (finally) got access to the Abelton Live 11 Beta and am working with the MPE support in it and a beta of an app for MPE support from a QuNeo controller. I'm using the Live 11.0b.30 release candidate build I loaded Waveform sound Organ Plus, which responds nicely to the 4 dimensions of MPE input on all of the 4 MPE columns in the Waveform device (i.e Velocity, Note PB, Slide, Pressure). The visual "meters" at the top of each column show which column is receiving data. I've confirmed that the set-up for the Multitone MPE devices correctly matches the PB range in both Waveform and in the QuNeo MPE app.
I'm seeing issues in most of theMicrotone MPE devices, and it's not just the note pitch bend data (Note PB) that is being filtered out.
Based on the Waveform device, I understand there are 4 MPE data dimensions: (initial) note Velocity, Note PB (pitch bend per note, aka the X-axis on the MPE contoller), Slide (ie CC I 74 or the Y-axis on the contoller) and Pressure (i.e. after touch) - in the Waveform MPE tab the meters on the 4 columns show when each kine of MPE data is reaching the device to manipulate the sound.
1) With the Microtone MPE device disabled, I can see all the "meters" on all 4 columns respond to input from my QuNew and QuNeo MPE app as a control surface in MPE mode, and hear the changes expected for all 4 MPE dimensions.
2) With almost of the Microtone MPE devices, some or all of the columns do not respond... it's not just Note PB but the others which are not consistently passed through and really need to be.
Randomly, one or two notes will respond, but it is not consistent and usually the exception to the rule.
Here's what I'm seeing:
~~~
These work - all 4 columns show activity and the sound is manipulated as expected for all 4 MPE dimensions:
- Just12 works nicely, just with the note bases detuned (or I should say, tuned properly to Just tuning :-).
- NTet
- NTet12
~~~
These have issues with 1 or more of the MPE dimensions:
- Cent12 - Velocity responds, sometimes Pressure (not consistently). I only get occasional, random responses from Note PB and Slider changes when pressing and holding multiple notes and wiggling some of them around (but for the most part, there's no activity for Note PB or Slider meters on single notes)
- Detune 12 - Velocity and Pressure work I can't get any Note PB or Slider responses
- Detune 128 - I see the device responding (the blue highlight indicating the note / octave I'm pressing on the controller) but I'm am not getting any sound. I've tried with default 0 values and other values on the grid
- SCL Loader - similar to Cent12. Velocity responds, sometimes Pressure (not consistently). I only get occasional, random responses from Note PB and Slider changes when pressing and holding multiple notes and wiggling some of them around (but for the most part, there's no activity for Note PB or Slider meters on single notes)
There's still good value in the Microtone MPE devices, but if you are able to fix these issues this will be a truly outstanding toolkit!
Thanks, Chris
I’ve checked out the updates for MPE Detune12 and MPE Detune128 and they are working much better.
I’m now having a couple of odd issues with Detune128 though:
1) When I set a value and press a pad on my controller (in the middle of the pad is NotePB = 0), the tuning is not changed until I release the note.
For example, if I set C2 to -100 and D2 to +100, I heard a standard C2 when I first play it, but when I release I hear the note slide down to C2-100. Likewise, D2 slides up to D2+100
2) The QuNeo has square note pads, so it’s easy to hit the extreme left or right of the Note PB range
- when I press on a tuned note using the extreme left or right of the pad hear (for example, C2), I hear the correct adjusted tuning for the note (C2-100) but without Note PB applied, which seems incorrect.
I’d expect the initial note to be C2-100-48 when C2 is pressed on the left extreme and the PB ranges are all 48, or D2+100+48 when D2 is pressed on the extreme right side.
- when I slide from the edge to the center, there’s a quick PB sound applied but the center of the pad correctly plays the tuned note (C2-100) without Note PB applied, as expected
- when I slide back from the center to the edge I correctly hear the tuned note plus Note PB applied (ex. C2-100-48 when playing C2 and sliding to the left, or D2+100+48 playing D2 and sliding to the right